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SALT  LAKE  CITY,   UTAH. 


THE     FAITH-PROMOTING    SERIES. 

MY  FIRST  MISSION,  a  narrative  of  personal  experience  as  a  mis- 
sionary upon  the  Sandwich  Islands.  l>v  (ieo.  Q.  Cannon, 

A  STRING  Q\~  PEARLS,  containing  a  Dumber  of  interesting  sketches 
and  anecdotes  of  missionary  lite,  etc, 

LEAVES  FROM  MY  JOURNAL,  by  President  Wilford  WoodrulF, 
giving  a  description  of  his  wonderful  missionary  experience, 

(MOMS  FOR  TIIK  YOFXO  FOLKS,  a  variety  of  entertaining  and 
instructive;  sketches  of  Elders'  experiences, 

JACOB  IIAMBLIN,  bis  experience  as  a  fro n tier-man,  missionary  to 
tbe  Indians  and  explorer,  dis-losing  interpositions  of  Providence, 
•'•re  privations,  perilous  situations  and  remarkable  escapes. 

FRAGMENTS  OF  EXPERIENCE,  a  collection  of  sketches  from  tbe 
experience  of  Elders 

PRESIDENT  IIEBER  C.  KfMP.ALL'S  JOURNAL,  a  narrative  of  tbe 
nrineipal  incidents  in  t"e  career  of  a  very  remarkable  man 

EARLY  SCENES  IX  CIIFRCH  HISTORY,  'a  collection  of  incidents 
from  the  lives  of  Llders  of  tbe  Clmrch  in  early  days, 

THE  LIFE  OF  XEPHl,  tbe  son  of  Lehi,  who  emigrated  from  Jeru- 
salem, in  Jiuloa,  to  the  land  now  kno\vn  as  South  America  six 
centuries  befoiv  tbe  comin  of  tbe  Savior,  by  (ieo.  (-{.  Cannon, 

SCRAPS  OF  BIOORARHY,  containing  "Sket<  h  of  an  Elder's  Life," 
''Incidents  of  Ev^erienee."  and  "Ne\vel  Knight's  Journal'' 

THE  MYTH  OF  THE  MANUSCRIPT  FOUND,  or  the  Absurdities  of 
the  Spuulding  Story,  liv  Oeo-gc  Reynolds, 

LABORS  IX  THE  V1XEYARD,  containing  some  of  the  most  inter 
e.sting  experiences  ever  wi'itteu, 

MISCELLANEOUS     WORKS. 

HAND-BOOK  OF  IMoFEREXCE  t»ihe  history,  chronology,  religion 
ind  country  of  the  Latter-dav  Saints — for  Saints  and  strangers, 

ORSON  PRATT'S  WORKS,  a  series  of  paniphleis  on  the  doctrine^  of 
tlu>  gospel,  a  book  of  :;u  paires. 

liOSPEL  PHILOSOPHY,  showing'  the  absurdities  of  infidelity  and 
the  harmonv  of  *  (>  gospel  with  .science  and  history, 

THE  HAND  OF  PROVIDENCE,  as  shown  i"  the  history  of  nations 
and  individuals,  from  the  gie:U  Apostasy  to  tne  re^  oration  of  the 
gospel,  an  illustrated  work  of  215  pages— very  interesting, 

LYDIA  KNP«iHT'S  HISTORY,  an  interesting-volume,  written  in  an 
attractive  and  a  i-leasing  style, 

HEROINES  OF  "MOItMON  DOM"  contains  inte-esii'g  sketches  <f 
sister-  who  have  prove  I  themselves  worthy  of  respe-t  and  IIOTHV, 

THE  .MARTYRS,  an  account  of  the  niartyrdoiii  of  Jo.se:. b  and  Ilyriim 
Smith,  with  steel  -  itfrravings  of  these  noblemen,  by  L.  O.  Littleiield, 

"MOlOroN"  DOCTRINE,  a  plain  and  sim]>le  explanation  of  the  prin- 
ciples of  the  gos]>el.  in  twelve  terselv- written  chapters,  with  ap- 
pendix ',;ivi'  g  scripnu'al  references,  hy  Charles  W.  Peni'ose, 

PFJ5L1C  DISCUSSION  between  Rev.  Richard  Hartley,  of  the  Bapt  is- 
chinch  and  Elder  Ben.  E.  Ri«-h,  of  the  Church  of  Jesus  Christ  of 
Latter-dav  Sain'-. 

WHY  WE  PRACTICE  PLURAL  MARRIAOE,  by  a  '-Mormon "  wife 
and  mother— Helen  Mar  Whitney,  paper  cover. 

THE  TI-:NN'ESSKE  MASSACRE  and  Its  Causes,  a  Lecture  by  John 
Nicholson, 


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SALT    LAKE    CITY,    UTAH. 
1885. 


TESTIMONY  OF   JAMKS   HOLT 
HASLAM. 


TAKEN    AT    WELLS VILLE,  CACHE  .COUNTY,  UTAH, 
DECEMBER   4,    1884. 


JAMES  HOLT  HASLAM,  being  interrogated  by  S. 
A.  Kenner,  Esq.,  answered  the  interrogatories  to 
him  propounded  as  follows: 

What  is  your  full  name? 

James  Holt  Haslam. 

And  where  do  you  now  reside? 

In  Wellsville,  Cache  County,  Utah. 

How  long  have  you  resided  in  this  Territory? 

Since  the  Fall  of  1851. 

Have  you  been  here  continuously  from  that  time? 

You  mean  in  Utah? 

Yes. 

Yes,  sir. 

In  what  part  of  Utah  were  you  residing  in  the 
year  1857. 

In  the  year  1857  I  was  residing  at  Cedar  City, 
in  Iron  County. 


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What  part  of  Iron  County? 

Cedar  City. 

Do  you  remember  September  of  that  year? 

I  remember  it  well. 

Do  you  remember  the  incident  in  the  history  of 
Utah  known  as  the  Mountain  Meadows  massacre 
or  murder? 

Yes,  sir. 

What  time  of  the  year  did  it  occur? 

It  was  in  September. 

In  1857  or  1858? 

In  1857. 

Did  you  perform  any  office  or  any  service  in 
connection  with  those  engaged  in  that  transaction? 

All  that  I  performed  was  to  carry  an  express 
from  Cedar  to  Salt  Lake  City. 

Who  sent  you  on  that  errand? 

Isaac  C.  Haight. 

What  position,  if  any,  did  he  hold  in  that  com- 
munity where  you  lived? 

President  of  Cedar  City. 

By  virtue  of  what  authority  was  he  president, 
if  you  know? 

No  more  than  he  was  called  to  that  office. 

I  mean  under  what  dispensation  or  government? 

Under  the  church  government  of  the  Church 
of  Jesus  Christ  of  Latter-day  Saints. 

Did  he  hold  any  other  position? 

I  believe  he  was  colonel  of  militia  of  what  is 
called  the  Nauvoo  Legion. 

As  the  presiding  officer  of  that  community,  were 
you  subject  to  his  order? 


"MOUNTAIN  MEADOWS  MASSACRE.''       ^5 

Yes,  in  a  church  capacity  I  was. 

Do  you  remember  the  company  of  emigrants 
that  were  massacred  at  the  Mountain  Meadows? 

I  remember  seeing  them  pass  through  Cedar 
City  on  their  way  south. 

About  what  time  was  that  with  reference  to  your 
receiving  this  dispatch? 

A  few  days  after,  I  should  say  it  must  have  been 
somewhere  about  the  fifth  or  sixth  of  September, 
1857. 

Was  it  before  or  after  you  received  the  dispatch? 

Oh,  before  I  received  the  dispatch. 

About  how  many  days  before? 

I  should  judge  Irom  one  to  two  days,  but  I  could 
not  say  positively. 

State  now,  as  nearly  as  you  can,  considering  the 
state  and  circumstances  leading  to  Mr.  Haight 
giving  that  dispatch  and  with  orders  to  convey  it 
there. 

Word  came  up  to  Mr.  Haight  from  John  D. 
Lee,  stating  that  the  Indians  had  got  the  emigrants 
corralled  on  the  Mountain  Meadows,  and  wanted 
to  know  what  he  should  do. 

Who  brought  that  word? 

I  don't  know,  I  did  not  seethe  man  who  brought 
the  word  to  Haight. 

What  did  Mr.  Haight  tell  you  in  relation  to  the 
matter  at  that  time? 

He  sent  for  me.  He  had  a  message  written  to 
send  up  to  Brigham  Young,  and  he  wished  to  get 
a  man  to  take  it  ,up.  He  had  not  found  one  when 
I  went  down  there  to  his  house,  and  he  asked  me 


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if  I  would  take  it.  I  told  him  I  -would  if  it-  was 
possible  to  take  it. 

Did  he  then  state  the  nature  of  that  message 
that  lie  wanted  you  to  carry  and  deliver? 

He  gave  me  the  message  to  read. 

Did  you  read  it? 

Yes,  sir. 

State  the  contents  of  it  as  near  as  you  possibly 
can. 

The  same  as  I  stated  before:  that  the  Indians 
had  got  the  emigrants  corralled  at  the.  Mountain 
Meadows,  and  Lee  wanted  to  know  what  should 
be  done.  Lee  at  this  time  was  major  of  what  was 
called  the  Post,  and  he  was  the  Indian  agent. 

My  question  was  in  relation  to  the  emigrants — 
what  do  you  mean  by  the  Post? 

It  was  a  fort  and  intended  to  devise  means  of 
protection  from  the  Indians. 

Was  that  message  placed  in  an  envelope  and 
sealed? 

Yes,  sir. 

To  whom  was  it  addressed? 

To  Brigham  Young,  governor  of  Utah  Territory. 

What  did  you  do  with  it  when  you  took  possess- 
ion of  it? 

I  wrapped  it  up  carefully  and  put  it  away  where 
no  one  would  get  it  until  I  delivered  it. 

How  long  after  receiving  it  was  it  before  you 
started  for  Salt  Lake  City? 

Just  as  quick  as  I  could  go  home,  put  on  a  shirt 
and  saddle  a  horse. 


' '  MO  UN  TAIN'  ME  A  D  0  WS  MA  SSA  CRE. ' '        87 

About  ,how  far  did  you  live  from  Haight's,  or 
from  where  you  received  the  message? 

About  a  quarter  of  a  mile. 

How  long  did  it  take  you  to  go  and  *do  that? 

Probably  from  ten  to  fifteen  minutes. 

Is  it  a  fact  that  after  the  receipt  of  that  message 
you  were  in  the  saddle  ready  to  depart  and  did 
depart  within  fifteen  minutes  from  the  time  of  its 
reception? 

Yes,  sir. 

What  kind  of  a  horse  did  you  start  on. 

A  Spanish  horse. 

Please  state  as  to  its  fleetness. 

I  could  not  state  as  to  that. 

How  long  did  it  take  you  to  arrive  at  Parowan? 

I  could  not  say  exactly,  might  be  about  two  hours. 

What  is  the  distance? 

Between  eighteen  arid  twenty  miles. 

Did  you  proceed  on  the  same  horse  from  there? 

Yes,  sir,  to  Beaver. 

Do  you  know  about  what  time  you  arrived  at 
Beaver? 

To  the  best  of  my  recollection  now,  Bishop  P. 
T.  Farnsworth  wras  Bishop  there,  and  to  the  best 
of  my  recollection  when  I  arrived  at  Beaver  he 
said  it  was  nine  o'clock,  or  a  little  past,  in  the 
evening. 

Do  you  remember  the  time  when  you  left  Cedar? 

A  little  past  four  o'clock  in  the  afternoon, 

Did  you  change  horses  at  Beaver? 

Yes,  sir, 


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How  long  were  you  in  effecting  the  change  of 
horses? 

While  I  was  eating  supper  they  got  the  horse 
and  put  the  saddle  on  it.  They  got  the  horse  from 
Edward  Thompson,  Sen. 

Did  you  state  the  nature  of  your  mission  to  the 
Bishop? 

I  did,  sir. 

And  he  then  proceeded  immediately  to  get  you 
a  fresh  horse? 

Yes,  sir. 

So  you  immediately  got  on  and  went  as  fast  as 
possible,  did  you? 

Yes,  sir;  I  got  a  note  from  Col.  Dame  to  all  the 
Bishops,  stating  my  business,  and  for  them  to  fur- 
nish me  horses. 

And  it  was  by  virtue  of  you  showing  this  note 
that  the  Bishop  at  Beaver  furnished  you  a  horse? 

Yes,  sir. 

Did  you  proceed  immediately  on  your  journey 
to  Fillmore? 

Right  away. 

How  long  did  you  ride  after  that? 

From  that  to  Fillmore. 

Without  stopping? 

Without  stopping,  on  the  same  horse,  yes,  on 
the  same  horse  to  Fillmore. 

Can  you  remember  the  time  you  arrived  at  Fill- 
more — time  of  day  or  night? 

I  could  not  recollect  exactly. 

Can  you  remember  how  many  hours? 


' 'MO UNTA1N MEAD 0 WS  MA SSA ORE"       89 

No,  sir;  I  got  to  Fillmore  sometime  before  day- 
light, but  I  could  not  say  exactly  what  time  of  the 
following  day. 

How  long  did  you  stay  in  Fillmore? 

I  had  to  stay  till  the  Bishop  came,  and  that  was 
pi'etty  near  evening.  He  wras  off  on  a  hunt,  he 
and  his  horses  too. 

Who  was  Bishop  there  at  that  time? 

Seymour  Brunsen. 

Were  you  resting  during  this  time? 

I  had  to  do:  my  horse  could  not  go  any  further 
without  urging  him  very  much,  as  he  had  come 
from  Beaver. 

How  long  were  you  there  waiting  for  the  Bishop 
to  arrive? 

That  day;  and  after  he  arrived  I  did  not  stop 
but  a  little  while. 

Did  he  get  you  a  horse  immediately? 

Yes,  sir;  but  it  was  a  horse  that  I  could  only  ride 
ten  miles.  I  rode  to  Cedar  Springs,  or  Holden. 

Did  you  there  obtain  another  horse? 

They  hadn't  got  one  in  Holden — had  to  send 
back  to  Fillmore  and  get  another  one. 

How  much  time  did  that  occupy? 

That  occupied,  before  they  got  back  with  another 
horse,  till  three  o'clock  in  the  morning  next  day. 

Did  you  then  immediately  proceed? 

Yes,  sir. 

How  far  did  you  go  that  time? 

To  Salt  Creek,  or  Nephi. 

In  about  what  time  did  you  make  that  journey? 

I  was  there  at  seven  o'clock  in  the  morning. 


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And  you  obtained  another  horse  there,  did  you? 

Yes,  sir. 

How  much  time  did  that  occupy  there? 

Just  long  enough  to  eat  breakfast — not  to  ex- 
ceed  half  an  hour. 

And  you  then  proceeded  northward? 

Yes,  sir. 

How  far  did  you  go  that  time? 

To  Pay  son. 

How  long  did  you  stay  there? 

Just  long  enough  to  change  horses. 

That  would  be  but  a  few  minutes? 

That  is  all. 

How  far  did  you  go  next  time? 

To  Provo. 

Did  you  get  another  horse  there? 

Yes,  sir. 

How  much  time  did  you  spend  in  Provo? 

An  hour. 

Then  proceeded  on  your  journey  again? 

Yes,  sir. 

Where  was  your  next  stopping  place? 

At  American  Fork.  t 

Did  you  get  another  horse  there? 

Yes,  sir. 

How  long  did  you  stay  there? 

Well,  about  half  an  hour. 

And  then  went  on  continuously? 

Went  right  on. 

Where  did  you  arrive  at  next? 

I  went  right  on  to  Salt  Lake  City  from  American 
Fork. 


1  'MO  UNI  A  IN  ME  A  D  0  WS  MA  SSA  CRE. "       91 

How  long  did  it  take  you  to  go  from  American 
Fork  to  Salt  Lake  City? 

I  could  not  say  exactly  how  long  it  was,  but  I 
went  right  on,  yet  got  kind  of  sleepy  that  night. 

What  day  of  the  week  was  it  you  arrived  at 
Salt  Lake  City? 

I  can't  remembar  that,  but  think  it  was  Thurs- 
day morning. 

Can  you  give  me  the  time  you  occupied  from 
Cedar  City  to  Salt  Lake  City,  altogether,  including 
stoppages  and  everything? 

I  left  Cedar  at  four  o'clock  in  the  afternoon,  and 
it  was  the  morning  of  the  third  day  from  then 
that  I  got  to  Salt  Lake  City. 

After  you  left  Cedar? 

Yes,  sir;  I  was  at  the  Lion  House  just  after  day- 
break, where  Brigham  Young  had  his  office,  or  it 
was  then. 

That  would  be,  then,  about  sixty  hours,  would 
it  not,  on  your  journey? 

Yes,  sir,  somewhere  along  there:  two  whole  days 
and  a  little  more  than  half  of  another. 

Well^was  it  not  about  sixty  hours? 

Yes,  about  that  time.  * 

How  many  hours  were  taken  up  by  these  stop- 
pages and  delays  altogether? 

Well,  about  fifteen — yes,  there  was  all  of  twenty 
hours  taken  up.  What  was  the  first  thing  you 
did  when  you  arrived  at  Salt  Lake  City? 

To  go  to  Brigham's  office. 

Did  you  see  him  there? 

Yes,  sir. 


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Immediately  upon  your  arrival? 

You  might  call  it  immediately.  It  was  not  over 
fifteen  minutes. 

.Did  you  see  him  in  his  office? 

Yes,  sir. 

What  did  you  do  when  you  first  saw  him? 

I  handed  him  my  message. 

Did  you  tell  him  whom  you  received  it  from? 

Not  until  he  asked  me  the  question. 

Did  you  then? 

Yes,  sir,  I  did. 

What  did  he  do? 

He  opened  it  and  read  it. 

What,  if  anything,  did  he  say  after  he  read  it? 

He  told  me  I  had  better  go  and  lie  down  and 
take  a  little  sleep. 

What  else,  if  anything? 

He  told  me  to  be  there  again  at  such  a  time,  and 
he  wrould  be  ready  to  give  me  an  answer. 

Did  he  mention  any  time? 

Yes,  sir. 

What  time  was  it  that  he  suggested? 

One  o'clock  in  the  afternoon  of  the  samp  day. 

Were  there  any  others  present  besides  President 
Young  on  that  occasion? 

Yes,  sir. 

State,  if  you  can  recollect,  who  they  were. 

I  can't  recollect  all,  but  Squire  Wells,  John  Tay- 
lor and  I  should  think  about  as  many  as  half  a 
dozen. 

Do  you  remember  George  Q.  Cannon  and  John 
Taylor? 


"MOUNTAIN MEADOWS  MASSACRE"        03 

I  cannot  say  whether  George  Q,  was  there  or 
not;  I  cannot  say  as  to  him  positively,  because  I 
don't  recollect. 

Mention  as  many  as  you  can  remember. 

That  is  about  as  many  as  I  can  remember — Dan- 
iel H.  Wells  and  John  Taylor. 

How  many  were  there  altogether? 

I  should  think  there  was  all  of  half  a  dozen  or 
more  in  a  council. 

Was  this  at  the  time  you  first  went  in — who  was 
there  when  you  first  went  to  President  Young? 

I  don't  recollect  only  seeing  one  clerk  in  the 
office. 

Was  this  at"  the  time  you  first  went  into  the 
office? 

No,  it  was  in  the  afternoon  when  I  wrent  for  the 
answer. 

Do  you  know  for  what  purpose  the  council  was 
assembled  ? 

I  do  not. 

What  were  they  doing  when  you  went  in? 

Sitting  in  council. 

Do  you  know  what  they  were  sitting  in  council 
about? 

I  do  not. 

Did  you  hear  or  did  you  learn  at  the  time  what 
the  nature  of.  the  council  was? 

No,  sir. 

And  you  know  nothing  about  what  they  were 
doing? 

No,  sir;  only  that  the  council  was  being  held  in 
President  Young's  office. 


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Did  President  Young  read  the  message  aloud 
when  you  first  delivered  it  to  him,  or  silently? 

He  did  not  read  it  aloud. 

What  did  he  do  after  he  read  it? 

He  read  it  and  told  me  to  go  and  take  a  little 
sleep. 

As  to  the  message — what  did  you  do  with  refer- 
ence to  that? 

He  asked  if  I  could  stand  the  trip  back;  he  said 
the  Indians  must  be  kept  from  the  emigrants  at  all 
cost,  if  it  took  all  of  Iron  County  to  protect  them. 

You  remember  he  said  that  very  distinctly? 

I  do,  I  know  he  said  it. 

Was  there  anything  said  with  reference  to  that 
subject  by  any  other  person  that  was  present  there? 

No,  sir;  Brigham  Young  did  all  the  talking. 

What  disposition  did  he  make  of  the  message 
after  he  read  it? 

That  I  do  not  know. 

Did  you  then  immediately  depart? 

No. 

You  took  the  rest  that  he  suggested  ? 

Yes,  sir. 

Were  you  there  at  the  time  he  mentioned  for  you* 
to  come? 

I  was. 

What  took  place  then? 

He  told  me  to  start  and  not  to  spare  horseflesh, 
but  to  go  down  there  just  as  quick  as  possible. 

Did  he  give  you  any  written  message? 

Yes,  sir. 

Was  it  sealed  or  unsealed? 


1  'MO  UNTAIN  ME  A  D  0  WS  MA  SSA  ORE. ' '        95 

It  was  not  sealed,  but  I  never  opened  it. 

Did  you  know  the  contents  of  it? 

I  did  not — I  could  have  done. 

Did  you  see  it  subsequently  or  after? 

When  I  handed  it  to  Brother  Haight  he  offered 
it  to  me  to  read. 

About  how  long  were  you  on  the  road  taking 
the  message  down  and  going  to  Cedar  City? 

About  the  same  as  I  was  coming  up,  as  near  as 
I  can  think. 

What  did  Mr.  Haight  say  to  you  when  you 
handed  him  the  message  or  answer  and  he  read  it? 

He  said,  "Too  late,  too  late."  The  massacre  was 
all  over  before  I  got  home. 

Did  he  say  anything  further  on  that  subject? 

No,  sir;  he  cried  like  a  child. 

How  long  were  you  in  his  company  at  that  time? 

About  half  an  hour. 

Did  he  make  any  further  reference  to  the  sub- 
ject? 

No,  sir;  he  could  not  talk  about  it  at  all. 

At  what  place  was  this,  and  where? 

In  Cedar  City. 

Was  he  at  his  home  at  the  time  you  delivered 
this  message  to  him? 

No. 

At  what  place  was  he? 

Between  his  house  and  mine,  on  the  way  coining 
down  to  see  if  I  had  got  back. 

Did  he,  at  that  time  or  afterwards,  say  anything 
with  reference  to  his  being  at  the  massacre  or  not? 

Never  to  my  knowledge. 


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Did  you  see  John  D.  Lee  then  at  that  time? 
No,  sir,  I  did  not. 
Have  you  seen  him  since? 
Yes,  sir,  many  times. 

How  long  after  that  before  you  saw  him  first? 
About  two  weeks. 

Did  he  make  any  reference  to  the  subject? 
No,  sir. 
Did  you? 
No,  sir. 

Have  you  at  any  time  since  that  date  heard  him 
or  Haight  speak  in  reference  to  that  subject? 
No,  sir. 

Do  you  know  John  M.  Higbee? 
Yes,  sir. 

Have  you  ever  heard  him  say  anything  about  it? 
No,  sir. 

Have  you  heard  the  subject  discussed  by  any- 
one there  or  elsewhere  about  that  time? 

No  more  than  common  rumor  since  that  date. 

Have  you  ever  heard  Mr.  Dame  talk  about  it? 

No,  sir. 

Do  you  know  what  became  of  that  dispatch? 

You  mean  the  one  I  brought  back? 

Yes. 

I  do  not. 

Did  you  see  what  disposition  Mr.  Haight  made 
of  it? 

He  put  it  in  his  pocket  after  he  read  it. 

Have  you  ever  seen  it  since? 

No,  sir. 


1 1MO  UNTAIN  ME  A  DOWS  MA  SSA  CRE. ' '       97 

Have  you  ever  heard  it  mentioned  in  Church 
meetings  or  anywhere  else? 

No,  sir. 

Was  there  at  that  time  a  telegraph  line  in  the 
Territory? 

No,  sir.  *Wqn  %<&*& 

What  was  the  mail  service,  if  any,  through  the 
Territory  at  that  time,  if  you  know? 

Mails  were  carried  just  as  it  happened. 

Was  there  a  regular  through  mail? 

The  mail  came  now  and  then  about  as  it  hap- 
pened, as  near  as  I  can  remember.  If  anybody 
went  up  to  Salt  Lake  City  they  would  bring  back 
what  mail  there  was  there. 

About  how  often  did  the  mail  come  there? 

Only  as  it  was  brought,  kind  of  promiscuous. 

Did  it  come  as  often  as  once  a  month? 

I  don't  think  it  did. 

Was  it  any  oftener  than  that? 

No,  sir,  I  don't  think  it  was. 

How  long  was  it  after  that  time  that  you  next 
met  President  Young? 

I  can't  say,  for  I  don't  recollect.  I  came  up  to 
Salt  Lake  City  in  1859  and  worked  there  till  Fall ; 
I  can't  remember  any  particular  date. 

But  you  have  met  him  since? 

Oh,  yes,  many  times. 

And  heard  him  speak  in  places,  in  pulpits? 

Yes,  sir. 

Have  you  ever  heard  him,  in  his  house,  in  any 
place,  or  in  any  of  the  streets,  or  in  any  place  of 
worship,  or  pulpit,  or  at  any  place  whatever,  make 


98  SUPPLEMENT  TO  7IJE 

any  reference  to  the  subject  that  you  have  just 
testified  to  and  under  discussion? 

I  have. 

Will  you,  according  to  your  best  recollection, 
give  me,  as  near  as  possible,  the  nature  of  what  he 
said  at  any  of  these  places  or  times? 

If  I  can  recollect  anything  he  said  at  all,  he  said 
it  was  one  of  the  worst  things  that  ever  happened 
or  could  have  happened  in  Utah,  and  those  that 
had  perpetrated  that  deed  would  go  to  hell  for  it. 
I  have  heard  him  use  such  an  expression  as  .that. 

Then,  to  the  best  of  your  recollection,  from  what 
you  have  seen  of  him,  what  you  have  known  of 
him,  what  you  have  heard  him  say,  he  was  not 
only  bitterly  opposed  to  that  whole  proceeding, 
but  discountenanced  the  men  who  engaged  in  it? 

He  did. 

Do  you  know  anything  concerning  any  spoils  or 
property  that  accrued  from  that  massacre? 

Only  from  hearsay. 

Have  you  ever  seen  any  of  it? 

Oh,  yes. 

In  whose  possession  did  you  see  it? 

John  D.  Lee's. 

Did  you  ever  see  any  in  anybody  else's  posses- 
sion? 

I  can't  say  that  I  did,  unless  they  bought  it 
from  Lee. 

Did  you  ever  know  or  hear  of  Brigham  Young 
having  any  property  or  money  that  was  obtain- 
ed Irom  that  affair  at  that  time? 

No>  sir. 


' ' MO  UNTAJN  MEAD  0  WS  MA SSA  ORE. ' '        90 

Did  you  ever  hear  of  any  having  been  offered 
Mm? 

Only  by  report  to  me  from  a  man  that  Lee  told. 

What  was  the  nature  of  that  report? 

The  nature  was  that  Lee  offered  him  money  that 
he  had  got  from  that  company,  and  he  told  him  to 
take  it  out  of  his  sight  and  not  let  him  see  him 
any  more,  didn't  want  to  even  see  him,  let  alone 
the  money;  that  is  only  common  report. 

Did  you  immediately  after  that? 

Many  times. 

Do  you  know  what  his  relations  were  after  that 
with  Brigham  Young? 

I  do  not;  but  as  far  as  I  know  I  don't  believe 
there  was  any. 

Do  you  know  whether  or  not  either  ever  visited 
the  other  after? 

I  don't  know,  but  I  don't  believe  they  ever  did. 

You  were  in  such  a  position  at  that  time,  were 
you  not,  that  anything  of  that  nature  going  on  in 
the  community  would  have  most  likely  reached 
you,  if  it  had  taken  place? 

I  think  it  would. 

Were  you  in  as  good  a  position  for  knowing  such 
things  as  other  people  at  that  time? 

Yes,  sir. 

Do  you  know  what  the  sentiment  of  the  people 
of  the  Church  was  at  that  time — I  mean  those 
that  you  were  intimately  associated  with — in  re- 
lation to  that  affair? 

Ye?,  sir;  the  sentiment  was  it  never  ought  to  have 
happened. 


100  SUPPLEMENT  TO  TJIE 

Have  you  heard  members  of  the  Church,  in 
good  standing,  speak  of  it  since? 

Yes;  that  it  never  ought  to  have  happened. 

What  was  the  state  of  the  community  at  that 
time — at  the  time  you  took  this  dispatch  to  be 
carried  to  Salt  Lake? 

On  the  way  through  the  Indians  were  very  bad 
— they  were  excited,  and  they  were  up  in  arms  on 
account  of  the  treatment  they  had  received  from 
this  company  of  emigrants. 

Do  you  know  anything  of  this  treatment  they 
complained  of? 

I  know  what  the  Indians  told  me  when  I  was  on 
the  road  carrying  the  dispatch. 

State  what  it  was. 

They  told  me  the  emigrants  had  poisoned  their 
water  and  had  done  everything  that  was  mean  for 
them,  and  that  they  were  going  to  kill  the  emi- 
grants for  doing  it. 

Did  the  Indians  at  that  time  know  the  nature 
of  your  message? 

Of  what  I  was  carrying? 

Yes. 

Yes,  sir. 

Did  they  oppose  you  in  any  way? 

No  more  than  to  stop  me  and  inquire  if  I  was 
going  to  see  the  "big  captain,"  and  I  told  them  I 
was.  They  wanted  to  know  what  it  was  about  and 
I  told  them  they  were  not  to  kill  the  "Mericats," 
but  to  let  them  go  about  their  business;  for  the 
"big  captain"  would  be  angry  with  them  if  they 
did  it. 


"MOUNTAIN  MEADOWS  MASSACRE."        101 

Who  was  meant  by  the  "big  captain?" 

Brigham  Young. 

What  did  they  say  to  that? 

They  said  they  should  not  do  it;  they  were  mad 
and  they  were  going  to  kill  the  emigrants.  They 
said  they  were  going  to  do  it  before  I  came  back. 

Can  you  remember  the  precise  place  where  this 
conversation  with  the  Indians  occurred? 

The  place  was  down  between  what  was  called 
Cedar  Ridge,  or  Pine  Creek  Hill,  and  Cove  Creek. 

How  long,  if  you  know,  had  it  been  before  that 
that  the  emigrants  had  passed  there? 

There  was  one  company  camped  in  Beaver. 

When  you  were  going  up  with  the  dispatch? 

Yes,  sir. 

Were  there  any  others  ahead  of  them? 

This  company  that  was  massacred  at  the  Moun- 
tain Meadows  was  ahead  of  them. 

And  those  that  were  in  Beaver  were  not  mas- 
sacred? 

No;  but  two  of  them  were  shot  in  Beaver,  but 
not  killed. 

By  whom  were  they  shot,  if  you  know? 

By  the  Indians. 

Did  the  Indians  point  out  to  you,  or  tell  you  on 
your  journey,  wrhere  any  of  these  poisoned  springs 
were? 

Yes,  sir. 

Where  were  they? 

On  the  north  of  Salt  Creek,  where  the  Willow 
Creek  is  now. 

Were  there  any  other  places? 


102  SUPPLEMENT!  TO  THE 

Yes,  sir;  down  below  Fillmore,  between  Fillmore 
and  Corn  Creek,  at  some  springs  down  there  in  the 
bottom. 

Do  you  know  of  any  fatality  resulting  to  the 
Indians  by  reason  of  this  poisoning? 

No. 

Did  the  Indians  claim  of  any? 

No. 

By  what  means  did  they  tell  you,  if  they  told 
you  at  all? 

They  didn't  tell  me  by  what  means,  only  they 
knew  that  the  "Mericats"  had  done  it. 

Were  the  Indians  pretty  boisterous  in  their  be- 
havior? 

Yes,  sir;  thrpatening  all  along  through  the  set- 
tlements, that  is  what  they  were. 

And  this  had  caused  the  excitement  in  the  com- 
munity? 

Yes,  sir. 

What,  if  anything,  do  you  know  concerning  any 
orders  issued  to  John  D.  Lee  previous  to  the  mas- 
sacre by  any  one  in  authority? 

There  was  an  order  issued  to  John  D.  Lee  by 
Isaac  C.  Haight  to  keep  the  Indians  in  check  till  I 
came  back  from  Salt  Lake  City,  and  that  I  was 
starting  right  then. 

Did  you  see  that  order? 

I  saw  that  order  and  read  it  and  those  words 
were  on  it — I  know  this  to  be  the  fact. 

When  did  you  first  learn  of  the  massacre? 

Not  till  I  got  home  again.  Never  heard  of  it 
from  the  time  I  left  till  i  got  back. 


"MOUNTAIN  MEADOWS  MASSACRE."        103 

You  said  when  you  gave  the  dispatch  to  Haight 
he  read  it  and  burst  into  tears  and  said  it  was  too 
late? 

Yes,  sir. 

Who  was,  to  the  best  of  your  knowledge  and 
belief,  duly  considering  your  opportunities  for 
knowing,  responsible,  or  held  responsible,  for  the 
massacre  at  Mountain  Meadows? 

John  D.  Lee. 

Was  it  by  authority  from  any  one  or  upon  his 
own  responsibility? 

On  his  own  responsibility. 

Is  that  all  you  know  of  the  transaction  of  a 
material  nature? 

I  guess  that  is  about  all. 

Do  these  answers  that  you  have  given  here  em- 
brace the  sum  and  substance  of  your  testimony 
given  at  the  second  trial  of  John  D.  Lee,  in  Beaver 
City? 

That  is  the  sum  and  substance  of  it. 

Does  it  embrace  all  you  gave  there? 

Yes,  sir;  and  more. 


TERRITORY  or  UTAH,  \ 
County  of  Cache,/ ss'' 


Personally  appeared  before  me,  the  undersigned, 
this  12th  day  of  January,  1885,  a  Notary  Public 
in  and  for  said  County  of  Cache,  James  H.  Has- 
lam,  of  said  county;  who,  being  first  duly  sworn, 
says  upon  his  oath  that  the  above  and  foregoing 
answers  to  the  questions  propounded  to  him  are 
full,  true  and  correct  so  far  as  his  best  knowledge 


104  SUPPLEMENT. 


and   judgment   and    recollection    enable    him   to 
answer  the  same. 

JAMES  HOLT  HASLAM. 

Subscribed  and  sworn  to  before  me  this  12th  Jan- 
uary, 1885. 

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